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This athiest idiot is pushing again, and apparently won a round, to have UNDER GOD removed from the pledge. HOW RIDICULOUS! Are we all crazy to allow these RIGHT WINGERS to take over this country. I hope you all burn in hell. What's next, the money you carry in your pocket? 76% of the population believes in God, or the right to, why do we allow a SMALL percentage of the popluation to push us around? If they do not want to say it, then just don't say it!
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ronc99
(male, senior)
(Posted 9/14/05)
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jerry_sizzzler
(9/14):
First of all you should take a closer look at the political spectrum in the United States; I don't know Michael Newdow's political affiliation, but I highly doubt he's a "right winger" as you suggest. Second, the original Pledge of Allegiance (by Francis Bellamy, 1892) reads as follows: "I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one nation indivisible, with liberty and justice for all." (The "under God" was added in 1954.) Third, in regards to your assertion that the Christian majority in this country is being "pushed around", try not to forget the First Amendment, in particular the Establishment Clause.
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Oman
(9/20):
Wouldn't it be nice if it were indivisible (the nation not the pledge). Practice your religion, but don't push it onto others. Government sponsored religion is bad for religion and bad for government. Keep them seperate!
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hazieG
(9/30):
all I can say is.. there is a reason why church and state are supposed to be seperated. And just so you know, as a non believe in a god, it was torture to recite the pledge in school. In fact, I didn't. But that was torture too, because then I got ridiculed by my classmates and teachers for my choice not to participate in the recitation. And another good reason to kick the under god out, it wasn't originally in the pledge. the phrase was added in the fifties to promote a feeling of banding together as good little christians during the Cold War. So it was put in for a stupid reason, it's a stupid phrase, it should be eliminated.
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swike
(11/28):
Ron... I feel some sort of pity for how ignorant your case is looking right now. You state "All you types, nitpicking about small issues like this" please read this again. Small Issues? You seem to be getting the most rise out of Jerrys argument, which seems hypocritical. Also could you explain to me how children not reciting "under god" every morning is going to result in people getting shot and beat up? So we are bringing up our children with "NO GOD!". I somehow dont believe that a child, after being taught in church to believe in god for their entire life, will be at all influenced by the fact that God's name is not being blared over the loud speaker at their school EVERY DAY. However, for those who do not believe, how is it fair for them to push an idea on them that some of us feel is completely false? I would expect you could answer my comment, as you seem to understand the issue in its entirety...
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ronc99
(9/14):
Jerry, its people like you that is turning this country into a pissmire of crime and injustice. What are the children growing up in our day and age going to have to look forward to? All you types, nitpicking about small issues like this, turn it into total confusion for our children. No wonder they go to school and beat each other up, shoot each other, and so on. They are growing up with no respect for life, love, their parents, their teachers, and NO GOD! Don,t talk about it if you believe it, because someone will persecute you! Is what we are telling them. I am not deeply religious, do not go to church, but still believe in God and Jesus Christ, and will go to my grave stating the same. Good day sir!
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Montresor
(9/15):
The first Amendment reads: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances." It allows the freedom of each individual to decide his own beliefs and to practice religion as he sees fit. It does not allow an individual to prevent others from practicing their religion. The first Amendment says nothing about "freedom FROM religion". No man should have the right to make us change the wording of the Pledge Of Allegiance. The addition of the words "Under God" was not decided by one man. If he doesn't want to say these words, just don't say them. I don't think anyone will break his face for closing his mouth for the fraction of a second it takes to say these words. I and everyone else who believes, has the right to say them. NO MATTER WHAT THE SUPREME COURT SAYS, I will continue to say "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, UNDER GOD, indivisible, with liberty and justice for ALL".
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ronc99
(9/15):
Absolutely well said Montresor!!! Could not improve on that a bit.
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lurch1949
(9/16):
I'm not sure about God. I guess that makes me an anognistic. But I'm not offended by those that want to say "under God" as part of the pledge, or who don't want to say it. To me pople like Michael Newdow and Rob Sherman are just as oppressive and tiresome as Jerry Falwell or Pat Robertson. Whatever happened to the concept of "live and let live"?
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